Any idea what they will be, Ken?

Moses.

Ken, thanks!

Moses---Yeah, since I'm mainly a HT grower, I'm going to put a couple of oldies but goodies back into the garden. A couple of Gold Medals, a couple of Mr. Lincolns and a fairly new HT, Angelic Veil to see how well it likes my garden.

Nice, Jim. Your Orange Dude still has more buds to open before the cool fall weather ushers in an end of the season. I'll bet you will have blooms open and in fine form at Thanksgiving time.

Do you intend to give your OD any winter protection?

Moses.

Good idea. I used to winterize the most susceptible roses, the hybrid tea types. I made collars of tar paper about 14" in diameter and as tall, and filled the collars with pine bark mulch. Then the outside of the collar would get generously mounded up around its sides with the same mulch. My rose bed looked like a bunch of beaver lodges.

What a chore! Although come spring, the dismantling was not as difficult a chore. The mulch was just spread out becoming the annual spring mulch top off.

You know, I stopped doing the above procedure a number of years ago, at the advice of Mad Gallica, and found that the winterizing did not make one bit of difference in preventing winter kill.

So now, everything gets no winter protection. They sink or swim left to their own devices.

Moses.

Wow Jim, those blooms on your Dude look wonderful, so fluffy and colorful. I could really use some of your misting rain, or even a downpour. We are still in a drought and may hit 90F today. When the irrigation gets turned off on Oct 15, i dread what might happen with no rain in our future. No rain here for months, in fact. Do your roses get any fertilizer? My roses get no fertilizer after early March. They get a dose in February and a dose in March. I probably should fertilize again in late June or July after the first big flush. Anyway, your Double Easy Orange really likes your garden. Nanadoll

Thanks nanadoll...

Sorry to hear about your drought!

The Dude gets Rose Tone & I add in some Dr Earth Alfalfa Meal with it... I just started doing that in June this year ( and I liked the results so will continue next season... ) Probably in the Spring then after each flush??? Not sure yet...

My OSO Double Reds seem to do good without fertilizer so I just let them do there thing...Sometimes I'll fertilize them in the Spring only....

I plant all my roses in areas that get 6+ hours sun even doing this time of the year....

Nothing ventured, nothing gained, Markay!

For me, I have made a strong commitment to only trying new roses that have a proven track record for disease resistance, breaking this directive only on the rarest occasion. Even then, disappointments occur even with well documented disease resistors.

This year, for example, my two disappointments, yearlings in my garden: Double Easy Orange (Orange Dude), and Reminiscent Coral, turned out to be pretty bad black spotters.

DEO has shown itself a magnificent grower for Diane B., and disease free for Jim (although it had a disappointing winter die-back, attributed to a particularly severe winter for its first one for him).

Reminiscent Coral has won an A.R.T.S. designation which accolade has not shown its worthiness in my garden. I have one tough garden for roses.

A heat trap causes my garden to register 6-7°F. higher than local temperature reports during the heat of the day. The air circulation is also restricted by large, tall buildings (a large city hospital being one of them), crammed together in my old city neighborhood. Yet, winter gives me additional angst. A winter wind tunnel deflects off the hospital across the street, and barrels through my roses all winter.

Roses torture me! I don't know why I forge ahead with them. They do draw me in like no other flower. I am smitten with them. I don't like having to deal with their challenges, but I never fail to marvel at their beauty. Beauty has a price!

Moses.

@Moses, Pitt PA, cold W & hot-humid S, z6, I do tend to research roses obsessively, but have found that no amount of research is as informative as the experience of growing a rose in my own garden, so sometimes I just roll the dice.

@susan9santabarbara I am happy to hear that Lakeview is so responsive. I would love to get one of their limited batch Garden Delights, but we’ll see how the supply holds up to the demand.

Kentucky, I got a Garden Delight in Palatine's last shipment, and it has been pretty great. Unfortunately, it's still in a 5 gallon pot, so hasn't had the opportunity to really strut its stuff. But it's in the line-up to go to its permanent home soon, if we could ever stop having heat waves here in So. Calif :-D

I need to get this rose! Some years back I got a nice, container grown, own root Sweet Mademoiselle, but returned it because there appeared to be crown galls growing on it.

Now, I am inspired by Ian's glowing report, and well motivated to try again. Thanks Ian!

Moses

You know it!

Pink Rose,

Trigger thumb, ouch, that's painful X 10!!! I had trigger finger on my left hand's middle finger some years back and it took a couple years for it to finally feel normal again. Excruciating pain doing cercertain movements made me try ever OTC cure/treatment, but it just took time to return to normal.....no idea what caused it. After it cleared up the adjacent ring finger became round two, but a little less severe. Everything's back to normal now.

I hope your trigger thumb is recovering or fully returned to normal!

Moses.

My sister-in-law had a trigger thumb this past summer, she got a cortisone shot, and today her thumb is as good as new.

I have two of them, those workhorse llithium powered pruners....a little chunky and not as maneuverable as the manual pruners are, but boy do they cut lickity split. They are intimidating, and both of mine, once the trigger is depressed, watch out....no last minute changes are possible, and the cut cannot suddenly be halted in mid-cut. Your tool holding/operating hand is safe, but your free hand must be held well clear of the pruner. I've often thought that for safety's sake I should tie my free hand behind my back! 😁

Moses.

I have used super sharp ARS Japanese steel pruners for years. They cut beautifully, and the people I've recommended them to love them as well. Check Amazon for the ARS pruners, loppers, and pruning saws. I love Fiskars loppers as well. Diane

Diane

I have several Felco pruners which are supposed to be excellent . I will check the ARS pruners from Amazon .

My experience has been that not all roses, generally by class, are Rose Midge Fly targets.

1. Once blooming roses which flower early enough often bloom before the Rose Midge Fly awakens from its winter sleep. However, new growth made after the first bloom flush from which next year's blooms emerge, both laterals and basal growths, are prime targets for now well awaken female flies to infest with their eggs.

2. Repeat blooming roses' first flushes are frequently spared Rose Midge Fly damage for the same reason that once blooming roses often get a reprieve. The over wintering nymphs awaken after the first flush green buds have reached garden pea size or are larger. At this stage of development the buds are generally too tough for the maggots (larvae), to chew, or have developed protective/toxic chemicals that resist maggots surviving. However, later developing first flush buds that are less than garden pea sized, all the way back to new growth that has not yet shown flower buds, are prime female Rose Midge Fly targets for infestation. All following flushes are targeted and infestations increase in greater proportions until frosts hit.

3. I have found that the following are very rarely Rose Midge Fly infested:

A. Rugosas and Hybrid Rugosas that have heavy Rugosa in their ancestry. An entomologist friend suggested that the new growth scent trails are picked up by female flies and direct them to their targets. Rugosa scent trails may not allure female flies. I also believe the 'frilly,' new growth tips seen on Rugosas may disarm/dismay the female fly from laying its eggs there. At any rate, when I grew tons of Hybrid Rugosa varieties they were mostly Rose Midge Fly infestation free all season long.

B. My Drift roses and varieties with small buds, such as Marie Pavie (which I no longer grow), rarely show(ed) Rose Midge Fly damage.

Rose Midge Fly magnets:

1. Hybrid Teas, 2. Floribundas, 3. Grandifloras, 4. Minifloras, 5. Most Miniatures, 6. Repeat blooming Climbers, 7. English Roses (Austin and Austin like roses), 8. Shrub/Landscape Roses.

Hope my experiences with combating Rose Midge Fly helps you.

Moses.

Moses, I feel for you with the Midge fly issue. I wonder if there are any beneficial insects that eat Midge flies and the eggs/larvae. I tried the beneficial insects for my garden this year and saw a huge improvement with the Thrip problem. I’d like to think my good bugs are going to stick around and make enough babies for next year, but I’m afraid that might not happen, so I’m planning to bring in more next spring.

Judi,

The only beneficial I know of that predates Rose Midge Fly are specific species soil inhabitant nematodes. The problem here is having a sufficiently effective population of the nematodes in the soil at all times, all season long. Then there's the the female flies that invade your garden from neighbors' gardens which have a few poorly cared for Rose Midge Fly infested rose bushes.

Even worse yet are the larvae that proceed to the pupating stage, right there where they fed at the roses' growing tips. They do not drop to the ground to continue cycling into adults. The maggots spin their cocoons around themselves fastening anchor silks securely within the leaf crevices where they fed, so that they emerge as adults high up on a rose bush! This strategy does not work for winter survival that I am aware of. I believe that only pupae which drop to the ground before severely cold weather approaches will survive the winter.

You see how abominable this insect is!

I think the strategy with beneficials is to bombard the environment with far more individual predators than would be encountered under natural conditions. Then, when the target pest is reduced dramatically, the predators' ranks thin out to normal levels. This process must be repeated if an upsurge of the pest recurs, ad infinitum.

Moses.

John-fig_insanity,

You will look back at your care giving as the most important thing you have done in your life. Marriage, children, successful career, etc., pale in comparison. The reason is that all the last wonderful life milestones involve both giving and taking, but care giving is pure giving. God bless you in this undertaking. I will be praying for you.

Moses.

Diane, congratulations to Jemma and to you as her grandma! I get such joy out of seeing young people make good choices and starting homes. It gives me hope for the future. I’m not ashamed to say that I believe good homes and families are the backbone of the nation.

I’m loving all the beautiful photos of fall blooms everyone is posting. I can hardly stop taking photos in my own garden just now. Munstead Wood is pumping out big, velvety, fragrant blooms again. Outrageously gorgeous Outrageous. And Black Caviar considers herself royalty.

Judi, lovely blooms!

I have a picture perfect Peach Swirl today—since it is not so hot it finally opened in the more pastel colors vs the ultra bright it has been giving me. Truly so so lovely!!

Ben,

Do you grow any of the Lim roses? Are any of them in particular from the True Bloom series? I know winter hardiness and black spot resistance are not issues where you garden, but possibly there is a Lim rose that has caught your attention enough to cause you to grow it.

Whenever you post a photo of your Chihuahua I get a big kick from him. I know that he endears himself to everyone. Thanks! I can't have a dog anymore and boy do I miss that camaraderie.

Moses.

Enjoying the True Serenity rose Markay and all the background plants... :-) Yellow Submarine looks good too!

True Serenity gossiping with Peter Mayle, I adore her ruffles!

I would plant an Easy Spirit (white bloom), on either side of your garden seat. High Country Roses is currently conducting a sale of $20.96/bush, and Easy Spirit is listed as still in stock. Easy Spirit is becoming a much beloved rose. Its only fault is little fragrance.

With the high price of roses these days, who doesn't like a bargain.

WbMoses.

(Houzz wouldn't let me correct the error in front of my name.)

I prefer Bolero (white in the center of this pic) over all the white Austins.

I planted 6 boleros in the front yard last year. They were young small sizes but I cant wait for them to mature.

Claudia,

That makes sense. Many posters on this forum have reported such events happening to their roses. The standard treatment is generous watering, and possibly pruning away the afflicted foliage.

Moses.

I predict a full recovery. I've seen worse cases. Hopefully a repeat in the years ahead will never occur. Is there any way of finding out the source of the herbicide drift, and contacting them requesting more care be taken with future herbicide applications?

Moses.

Hopefully your rose will recover as my Boscobel has. This is a photo from my morning walk. Not a great photo, but you can see that the foliage is looking normal and it’s starting its fall flush.

Thank you kentucky_rose for your reply, it sounds like maybe this is just an issue with Poseidon in heat. I appreciate the confirmation and now I can stop worrying so much about it. I dissected 8 more buds at different points of development and didn't find any thrips, and Poseidon's neighbors Betty White and Francis Meilland are clear too as far as I can tell.

Judi, your Boscobel looks lovely and I never would have guessed it was looking anything less than perfect this summer. Thank you for sharing, I find it reassuring. By Wednesday we're supposed to dip back into the 80s and I am hoping for a nice fall display. Even in the heat Poseidon kept putting out a ton of blooms, just on the smaller side.

Chili thrips appear to be spreading in the USA. Reports of them showing up in North Carolina and New York have come in. Colder growing zones may not be the barrier that they once were believed to be.

Moses.

@ocbrian1 corrected me it is a fig eater, we always just called them JB. Even tho I have no figs they are still in my yard, and will shatter any open rose. I believe they have the same characteristics as JB.

@ocbrian1 - Where are you getting the beneficial insects from? I have loads of praying mantis in my yard, not sure where they came from but I will take em.

According to several articles I read after ocbrian's post, the fig eater beetles are FAR less destructive than Japanese beetles. So I guess be really thankful that you have them instead of Japanese beetles :-D

Good news, Dianela. I hope their replacements, even though still in the pots that they have been growing in, have minimal jostling about during shipping, and that their packing by Heirloom was done as carefully as possible. Keep us posted.

Moses.

Dianela, Lakeview Roses may be offering Caramel Kisses for 2027. Ordering opens up Oct. 15th and should be on multiflora rootstock. You can check their website.

I agree with Moses that the roots could have been damaged from removing the plant from a pot. Add in shipping during a "hot" month doesn't help. I suggest only shipping plants when you are comfortable being outside yourself. Being in a box only makes things worse and being in bag which traps in moisture so their is no breathing of the roots. I would only buy online when temps don't go over 80 degrees and over 45 degrees. For the money paid for plants online, why take chances unless they are dormant? I'll buy plants locally first before ordering online.

I don't think that the USDA can keep up with plant inspections from overseas shipments. The volume is overwhelming. This is even more serious if the roses in question are brought into the USA illegally.

Moses.

I had a friend order something years ago from Australia and the vendor lied about the contents on the label.

Dee has an important point here — there are vendors who may be shipping from other countries and some of them circumvent import regulations entirely, and that's not a situation you want to get into. If YOU import plants without the proper documentation, you are responsible if that package gets inspected when it hits Customs.

A friend of mine imported some plants from Australia a couple years ago and he thought he had done everything correctly, but there was a mistake in the paperwork and he ended up losing the shipment AND had a multi-thousand dollar fine to pay.

Be careful when buying off Etsy. Make sure they are a licensed nursery and they are observing the regulations in their state. And do NOT buy live plants from a vendor outside the country unless they are providing all of the relevant paperwork. Even then, if it's not done correctly, the results could be disastrous.